The Unpopular Woman Love Post
Feb. 7th, 2009 03:36 pmIt's pretty natural that some female characters do worse in fandom than others, right? And sometimes it's difficult, if not downright impossible, to find a place where you can fan these characters in peace, or fellow fans to fan them with. Not to mention trying to find fanworks about them. Experience says: It hard.
So, stealing the idea shamelessly from
Being a post for unpopular characters, this is a bashing free post. If you have any negative opinions about the characters discussed or the fandom rivals of the character of your choice, please keep them to yourself.
And now, knock yourselves out!
ETA: The character and the fandom should both be named in the subject line, I forgot to mention the fandom initially. Sorry about the inconvenience!
ETA 2: If you want to share you thoughts about a character who has a thread, please reply to the thread in question. General comments and threads for new characters go to the main post.
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Diana Fowley, X-Files (Vid rec, Fic Recs, Fic recs)
Jennifer Hailey, Stargate: SG1
Sakura, Naruto (Fic recs, Author rec)
Dawn Summers, Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Anastasia Dualla, Battlestar Galactica (Comic rec, Reasons why Dee is awesome)
Lana Lang, Smallville (Vid recs)
Maya Herrera, Heroes (Vid rec)
Relena Peacecraft, Gundam Wing (Fic recs)
Cally Henderson-Tyrol, Battlestar Galactica
Gwen Cooper, Torchwood
Jennifer Keller, Stargate: Atlantis (Community link, Fic recs, Fic recs)
Niki Sanders
Freya/Anise, Stargate: SG1 (Fic rec)
Maria Hill, Marvel Comics
Thirteen/Dr. Remy Hadley, House MD (Picspam links)
Bela Talbot, Supernatural (Fic rec, Fic)
Shiori Takatsuki, Revolutionary Girl Utena
Tifa Lockhart, Final Fantasy VII
Max Guevara, Dark Angel (Vid rec, Fic rec)
Elizabeth Swann, Pirates of the Caribbean (Author rec)
Cynthia Velasquez, Silent Hill 4
Allison Cameron, House MD (Meme rec)
Liz Sherman, Hellboy
Dr. Camille "Cam" Saroyan, Bones
Ruby, Supernatural
Chloe Sullivan, Smallville
Sakaki Ouka, Weiss Kreuz
Jo Harvelle, Supernatural
Inara Serra, Firefly (Fic Rec)
Lt. Colonel Hollis Mann, NCIS
Director Jenny Shepard, NCIS
Lilly Kane, Veronica Mars
Kate Austen, Lost
Buffy Summers, Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Teyla Emmagan, Stargate Atlantis (Link, vid rec)
Alex Drake, Ashes to Ashes
Anya Jenkins, Buffy the Vampire Slayer (Fic recs)
Koriand'r, DC Comics
Sam Carter, Stargate SG-1/Atlantis
Ana Lucia, Lost
Padme Amidala, Star Wars
Arwen, The Lord of the Rings
Martha Jones, Doctor Who/Torchwood
Kennedy, Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Lois Lane, Smallville
Ginny Weasley, Harry Potter
Shmi Skywalker, Star Wars
Mai, Avatar: The Last Airbender (Fic links, Fic links & recs)
Keiko Yukimura, Yu Yu Hakusho
Orihime Inoue, Bleach
Yakumo Tatsuro, Shinzo
Sakuno Ryuzaki, The prince Of Tennis
Tenten, Naruto
Anzu Mazaki, Yu-Gi-Oh!
Temari, Naruto
Himawari, xxxHOLiC
Karen Kouzuki/Kallen Stadtfeld, Code Geass
Yuuki Miaka, Fushigi Yuugi
Meg Griffin, Family Guy
Elliot Reid, Scrubs
Princess Zelda, Legend of Zelda series/Brawl
Mizuki Kaho, Card Captor Sakura
Colette Brunel, Tales of Symphonia
Kaoru Kamiya AND Tomoe Yukishiro, Rurouni Kenshin
Ninian, Fire Emblem: Rekka no Ken
Katara, Avatar: The Last Airbender (Vid rec)
Naomi Hunter, Metal Gear Solid
Scheris Adjani, Scryed
Silk Spectre II/Laurie Juspeczyk, Watchmen
Jun the Swan, Science Ninja Team Gatchaman
Hinata Hyuuga, Naruto
Momo Hinamori, Bleach
Miyako Inoue, Digimon 02
Misa Amane, Death Note
Juri Katou, Digimon Tamers
Asuka Tenjoin, Yu-Gi-Oh GX
Diana Fowley (The X-Files)
Date: 2009-02-07 01:51 pm (UTC)I thought she was great :)
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From:Jennifer Hailey (Stargate: SG1)
Date: 2009-02-07 01:53 pm (UTC)Re: Jennifer Hailey (Stargate: SG1)
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From:Sakura (Naruto)
Date: 2009-02-07 02:03 pm (UTC)I think Sakura has *always* been awesome, even she was petty and unthinkingly cruel in her obession over Sasuske. She grew up a lot faster than many fans give her credit for.
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From:Dawn Summers (BtVS)
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From:Anastasia Dualla
Date: 2009-02-07 02:08 pm (UTC)Scans of the BSG comic, wherein Dee is awesome (http://lyssie.livejournal.com/1213785.html) (spoilers for the comic, obviously)
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From:Lana Lang (Smallville)
Date: 2009-02-07 02:13 pm (UTC)Vid recs
Date: 2009-02-07 03:26 pm (UTC)Sugar (http://keewick.livejournal.com/129249.html#cutid4) and Sorry (http://keewick.livejournal.com/199708.html) by
Clark/Lana-relationship is also a frequent cause of frustration, but while the criticism is often valid, there is genuine emotional intensity in their relationship.
As far as femlash goes, Chloe/Lana is the pairing to go to, and
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From:Maya Herrera (Heroes)
Date: 2009-02-07 02:37 pm (UTC)Despite the weepiness, despite the lack of control, despite the complete and utter dependence on her brother and the fact that she completely played into Sylar's manipulations, I still felt for her. Maybe because of all that, actually, and maybe because of the fandom's reaction to all that.
Because Mohinder in S1 was just as easily duped by Sylar (more so, in my mind, because at least he knew about the existence of Sylar, and should've maybe been a little more suspicious earlier), and that whole adventure bred most popular pairing #1, Mylar. And Peter was just about as indecisive and ultimately dependent on his brother to keep him from killing tons of people, which brings us to most popular pairing #2, Petrellicest. Neither of those characters are quite as generally disliked as Maya, which automatically made me a little protective of her.
And while I might have been frustrated by a lot of aspects of her character, I didn't hate her. I actually found a lot of her most frustrating attitudes, towards her power and her brother, to be logical extensions of what she'd been through. There were hints enough of her past that made me think before it all got started, she'd been a pretty interesting and independent young woman, within the confines of a still very machismo-focused culture.
She spoke English even though her brother didn't, for one; I realize it was most likely for plot purposes, but I liked the idea of it, of her getting educated and wanting (in my mind at least) to improve her situation a little.
The depiction of her faith also interested me; Heroes treads lightly on questions of religion (or did, up to S3), but I think realistically certain characters would definitely embrace their faith to get through all the crazy stuff they're going through. And it didn't seem heavy handed with Maya; that good old standby for angst, Catholic Guilt, was a lot more better played with her than it ever was with Sylar, at least in my mind. Less drama, less creepy rooms, but a genuine crisis of doubt and attempt at forgiveness.
So I liked Maya. Hated her storyline, but not any more so than I hated most storylines in S2, but liked her. Of course S3 ditched just about anything interesting about her and turned her into sluttily-dressed and strangely-accented eye-candy, or Mohinder-bait, but I see that as more the fault of the writers than the character. And I'm frankly glad she was smart enough to get her power taken away from her, and got out when she could.
Re: Maya Herrera (Heroes)
Date: 2009-02-07 02:43 pm (UTC)I wish more people thought the same way in any number of fandoms.
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From:Relena (Gundam Wing)
Date: 2009-02-07 02:41 pm (UTC)There were no easy choices in the Gundam Wing universe, and I don't understand why Relena's pacifism was so much worse than the belief that destroying the world was the only way to achieve peace.
Re: Relena (Gundam Wing)
Date: 2009-02-07 03:58 pm (UTC)When she finds out she's the long-last princess of the Sanq (or however you want to spell it) Kingdom, she turns her palace into a school for the DAUGHTERS of world leaders, so they can try to fix what their parents have screwed up. When the Romefeller Foundation (or OZ? I forget) turns her into the Queen of the World so they can use her popularity for their own aims, she turns the tables on them and actually gets the assembled politicians to listen to HER. She TRIES to pursuade her idiot big brother to not blow up the Earth. And she doesn't just fade out after the series; she keeps travelling, giving talks about peace.
Relena is AWESOME.
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From:Cally Henderson-Tyrol, Battlestar Galactica
Date: 2009-02-07 03:19 pm (UTC)Re: Cally Henderson-Tyrol, Battlestar Galactica
Date: 2009-02-07 05:57 pm (UTC)While she aggravated me sometimes, I will never forget the ear biting of extreme awesomeness. :)
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From:Gwen Cooper, Torchwood
Date: 2009-02-07 03:50 pm (UTC)Re: Gwen Cooper, Torchwood
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From:Jennifer Keller (Stargate: Atlantis)
Date: 2009-02-07 04:35 pm (UTC)I haven't watched season 5 of SGA, so I can't say anything about her, but I read a lot of people hate the character. Surely, she can't be all bad?
Re: Jennifer Keller (Stargate: Atlantis)
Date: 2009-02-07 05:36 pm (UTC)The development of her character has a lot of issues, but she isn't deserving the scale of scorn she receives.
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From:Niki Sanders (Heroes)
Date: 2009-02-07 04:38 pm (UTC)I think it annoys a lot of people how helpless Niki seems at the beginning and for a while, but I love it because it's the story of her journey--how she's been so terrified of herself as a source of power, of her own rage, that she had to cut it off from herself entirely. She starts off depending on other people--mainly men--for everything, being exploited and abused and dismissed by men all around her, and it's her fear of those men that keeps Jessica alive and out of Niki's control. Her story is learning to LET HERSELF BE ANGRY and LET HERSELF BE STRONG so that she can take care of herself and the people she loves. And that is fucking amazing and I will never, ever stop being in love with it.
(And on a moderately tangential note, I also love love love Niki and DL's relationship--it's the only romantic relationship on the show that ever felt to me like they were both truly in love with each other and treated/viewed each other as equals. I love that she's allowed to lean on him and NEED him and it doesn't weaken her at all.)
Re: Niki Sanders (Heroes)
Date: 2009-02-07 04:39 pm (UTC)I have only watched season 1 of Heroes, but I liked that character so much. She had so much strength for her son and yet was such a realistic character who was afraid of what was happening.
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From:Freya/Anise (Stargate:SG1)
Date: 2009-02-07 04:44 pm (UTC)Oh yes, most of SG1 fandom hated Freya/Anise. The UST for Jack annoyed Sam/Jack shippers and her personality is not shy or even friendly sometimes.
But I thought she was awesome. Speaking her mind and being strong.
There's a Freya/Anise passage in Snakeskin (http://katie-m.livejournal.com/108424.html).
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From:Maria Hill, Marvel Comics
Date: 2009-02-07 05:19 pm (UTC)I think I need a Maria icon, dammit.
(And if anyone actually has any Maria Hill fanworks to link, I'm gonna fall over dead from
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From:Thirteen/Dr. Remy Hadley (House MD)
Date: 2009-02-07 05:22 pm (UTC)According to fandom she's boring, hogs screentime from the other characters, is a rip-off of Cameron (also a hated character) and should just go ahead and die already. Personally I find her cool, restrained personality appealing and I loved how she got openly, if not exactly visibly angry about her unfair fate and yet found the will to try to defeat her illness, and I love that she's hard and doesn't trust easily and isn't easy to deal with. Her storyline isn't without its problems, but killing her off ASAP isn't the answer in my eyes, nor I want her death to happen at all.
Re: Thirteen/Dr. Remy Hadley (House MD)
Date: 2009-02-07 05:29 pm (UTC)I never noticed her being a ripoff of Cameron. They relate to House differently.
*uses Stargate Jacob icon because Carmen was at least on House, heh*
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From:Bela Talbot, Supernatural
Date: 2009-02-07 05:28 pm (UTC)I mean, here was a woman who was a) smart, b) thriving in a male-dominated world, and c) confident/elegant/in control, and she is reviled by a lot of people who were delighted when she was killed off. She was a scoundrel and a thief and not a very nice person. She would have done absolutely anything to get out of her deal. But hey, I think I would have, too.
Re: Bela Talbot, Supernatural
Date: 2009-02-07 05:39 pm (UTC)Have you read Kiss me, son of God (http://bellatemple.livejournal.com/185623.html)? It's got a wonderful Bela in it.
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From:Shiori Takatsuki (Revolutionary Girl Utena)
Date: 2009-02-07 05:37 pm (UTC)Love her to bits.
Re: Shiori Takatsuki (Revolutionary Girl Utena)
Date: 2009-02-08 06:34 pm (UTC)Movie!Shiori, on the other hand, almost seems to be a parody of the way the character is seen by the fans who hate her.
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From:Tifa Lockhart (Final Fantasy VII)
Date: 2009-02-07 06:50 pm (UTC)It took me years to warm up to her myself, but when I did, I had no problems appreciating that she was a flawed woman who didn't always do everything right, but was nevertheless a brave, caring person who remained hopeful about the future even when the odds were against her. And although it took her years to notice Cloud, when she did, she was willing to sacrifice a lot for him.
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From:Max Guevara, Dark Angel
Date: 2009-02-07 07:41 pm (UTC)Re: Max Guevara, Dark Angel
Date: 2009-02-07 10:01 pm (UTC)And then, of course, there's the contingent of idiot who work themselves into a frothing rage over the fact that she didn't worship Alec because of course, since he's pretty he must be an angel and how dare she touch him.
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From:Elizabeth Swann, Pirates of the Caribbean
Date: 2009-02-07 07:44 pm (UTC)Re: Elizabeth Swann, Pirates of the Caribbean
Date: 2009-02-07 07:58 pm (UTC)I do love her with Jack too, and that's why I'm going to rec
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From:Keller
Date: 2009-02-07 08:19 pm (UTC)Also, another unpopular woman is Rose Tyler, from Doctor who. Too mush bashing about her however she's awesome!!!
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From:Allison Cameron, House MD
Date: 2009-02-07 09:47 pm (UTC)For love for Cameron, Thirteen and other women of house, there was a Awesome Women Of House Meme (http://fated-addiction.livejournal.com/501869.html) a while ago, with plenty of loving links.
Re: Allison Cameron, House MD
Date: 2009-02-08 04:19 am (UTC)And Cuddy wanted her to help out with administrative duties, which definitely shows something if Cuddy had confidence in her like that.
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From:Liz Sherman, Hellboy
Date: 2009-02-07 10:17 pm (UTC)Re: Liz Sherman, Hellboy
Date: 2009-02-07 10:27 pm (UTC)I. What.
If Liz weren't there, the ENTIRE MOVIE would have ended in the first half hour with a bloodbath.
Plus, she's juggling a life and her powers and case work and just living.
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